Fansub BitTorrent site gets cease-and-desist

derosya from 61.213.142.221 at Thu, 02 Feb 2006 11:45:45 +0000:
hi,
im going to take some of ur idea from ur article above "Fansub BitTorrent site gets cease-and-desist" for my IP paper.. (such a troublesome class...), of course not all of it, but few words.. and i'll make some footnotes with ur name and url, and article..
thanks

John from 68.61.80.206 at Thu, 02 Mar 2006 02:26:54 +0000:
The anime fansubbers are basically doing for free, what a mulit milloin dollar company like 4Kids pays people alot of money to do in the U.S. Think about all those man hours that goes into changing a cigar with a lollipop, or guns with water blasters. This is why i love fansubs, because the "soccer-moms" dont influence it.

cyphix from 198.189.6.105 at Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:08:12 +0000:
I do understand that fansubbing is indeed illegal in both cases whether the serie has been licenced in the hosters country or not. I also do believe that fansub is a great way to get info on gathering new airing released anime or very new "To come" animes. Although I would have to disagree that asking for donations is solicitation since it is on their own site that the host owns. Aside from that, licencing companys get paid to translate and distribute. On their (manufacturing) operating side, its a well prepared company wich has a well established community to the public. So for them its a win win situation for money according to the law. But if looked closely, fansubbers are no different than that of a large incorporated company that has establishments. The only significant difference i see is that yes, fansubbers may seem and may well be ametures, but non-the-less, its for free. Fansubbers may not be as well established as an incorporated business, so this makes it illegal? It sure does according to the unfairness of the law. However, if the fansubbers are just kids, couldn't it be quite educational to learn how video compression algorithms, translation, styling subtitles, and not the least to say a leader determined mind to lead a group of individuals and make the world spin with entertainment. I have to admit, even though I don't download fansubs just because its illegal "by law", doesn't mean i haven't ever tried it. I did in fact get curious enough at one point in time to download an episode of naruto just to check it out, and it seems that the fansubs translation is not at all inacurate. In fact it may seem to be even more acurate than some well established company such. I am Japanese, so i can say that my understanding from the translation of the fansubbers make a bit more sense than that of the U.S.A licenced dubs. Anyway, just wanted to add a few thoughts to this post since i was doing research for my class work as a student and ran across this interesting site. Remember kids, the law is "The Law" and you cannot win unless you have money, so try not to go in over your heads okay.

Codekingmss from 209.181.218.13 at Thu, 29 Jun 2006 05:39:01 +0000:
These fansubbing also helps with one thing. If a fansubbing is popular enough, that may be one of next to be translated to english.

bblackcar7 from 68.99.182.38 at Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:05:20 +0000:
Although its illegal, its up to the Japanese companies who created or published the original anime to press charges, and because they rarely do, they probably don't care if the fansubbers do what they do, because it is they who increase the popularity of anime in the US, and without them US companies would never buy licences from them, and they would make even less money.

sunflash2 from 70.148.79.57 at Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:42:46 +0000:
it may be "illegal" but then again where would anime be with out fansubs. Fansubs are the biggest advertisment that anime gets, personaly i dont like the american versions. Yes lets cut out all of the good stuff, the blood, language, <strong>cigarets<strong>, in other words all of the stuff that makes the show good in the first place. Yes I download fansubs i have a 120 gig harddrive that is nearly full with fullmetial alchemist (all of the fansubs and the movie), bleach (every episode released), naruto (1-125), zoids (all of 3 series), dnangel (1-26), and others. In fact the only american versions of anime that i will consider even watching is cartoonnetworks adult swim, because this is as close to the actual thing as we can get here in america. I fully support downloading fansubs and i will continue to download them. In all honesty how many of us who watch the shows will go out an buy boxed sets? out of everone who watches not many im guessing mabey 1%? So keep up the good work all of u fansubers out there, keep churning out the anime for all of us losers who put up with the bull shit the RIAA "approves" of us watching.

Livii from 68.201.235.183 at Wed, 06 Sep 2006 03:25:02 +0000:
I think we all know that Fansubbing is illegal, everyone that downloads them, makes them, and watches them know that. Well, almost everybody. It does cost them lots of money to get these, dubb them, and edit them in the US, but on the other hand mnost anime fans don't like that they can edit an R rated anime to a G one. Especially 4KIDS. They don't even put out the un-edited version or full-versions or whatever. Even though cartoon Network does it doesn't come to months later, and lots of animes aren't liscened in the US until years later and most not shown on TV. Almost all of the companies that liscense animes in the US(i don't know one that does) that doesn't chop up animes. This is a topic that I know will be debated over for years. As far as I know, it's illegal, but most anime fans enjoy it and do not want to see them shutting everyone down it could case uproar. It is uncertain.

will from 24.141.39.161 at Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:00:49 +0000:
I personal think that if the orginal creater of an anime ask that it not be fan sub, we as fans should respect that. However North American versions of anime blows. Like many have said anime goes from being rated R to G. In the process it kills the anime. Anime is short for japanese animation, not japanese kid shows. In recent years i have seen North American "licensed" anime become more of a saturday morning crap that most anime fans in north american wouldn't waste their time on. Animes like Berserk, Ninja scrolls, Akira, X, 3x3 eyes where the anime that got north american interested yet now the only released stuff is sugar coated series that has so much cut out and scripts redone to the point where the orginal story and content that was made by the japanese artist is gone. If it where not for the fansubbers that put their own time into making fansubs North American companies would never have been able to get the licenses in the 1st place. So unless North American releases start becoming actual translations and given rated R and unrated ratings, Fansubbing will continue no matter what.

tokyodrifter from 61.117.11.159 at Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:08:28 +0000:
I work in Japan for an animaton licensing company. I have been watching torrent sites for some time now, not policing, just reading forums etc to understand where everyone is coming from. I can appreciate the innocent thinking behind a lot of the fansub groups. They like anime, and they want to spread it amongst other fans. However, as a lot of these people aren't here in Tokyo, and do not have to sit in lengthy meetings with the big manga publishers (who are the original rights owners for most anime) as I do, please give me a moment to shed some light on some important facts. First, about the idea that these activities are promoting less famous anime. Don't worry, most anime is licensed (or at least where we will sell it) much earlier than most people think. Doesn't matter how much these animes get passed around, it won't change the status of an anime as it is often for other reason why an anime isn't released in certain territories (rights problems that were overlooked during production, industry political reasons, censorship, etc I can go on....). Secondly, sites like Animesuki claim to to take down a torrent if it is licensed in the US, but let's not kid ourselves, America is usually launched after other territories like Asia (this is purely for physical reasons because asian dubs can be produced extremely quickly and censorship laws aren't very strict). That means, while Animesuki has its torrents up, we, the anime companies, are losing a great deal of money as it takes a good one to two years before a US launch happens. I cannot recall the number of meetings I have had where a buyer will tell me that the torrents are already up so they will either a) not take the property (bad luck to those who claim to download but are waiting for the official product) or b) will make an offer that is impossible to accept. The other important thing to consider is that, torrents are borderless, unless these sites are using geoIP technology to block out people from territories other than the US, their argument is pretty weak. The other important thing to notice is that, don't you think its strange that no anime appears on iTunes and other new media platforms like internet stream sites? The reason for this is that the rights owners are so nervous about anything related to internet because of al these downloads, they will not allow any companies handling anime to start dealing with these rights yet (I don't know what they are waiting for, divine intervention?). As a heavy user of the internet and everything electronic, this is really frustrating as I know that the source of these torrents is actually the Japanese TV broadcasts. Another thing to consider is that every year, it is getting harder to fund anime. It can cost tens of millions of Yen (hundreds of thousands of US dollars) a month just in sponsorship fees to keep an anime on free TV (plus TV stations in Japan do not 'buy' anime from companies, we have to pay for the privellage). This is not the high end either, this is average. Then you have the production costs on top of that. So you can imagine how important the overseas sales are for the studios and investors to recoup. All in all, I am sure fansubbers have already heard people telling them they are killing the content, well I can tell you, it is not that innaccurate. Some people mentioned why so much anime is for kids? Well its related to the diffculty in finding. A lot of times we rely on the big toy companies to sponsor, so the anime is going to be kiddish as they want to sell toys. So the anime like Ghost in the Shell which a lot of people like are even harder to make. Studios that make these kind of anime rely a lot on overseas TV and video sales. Another thing that often caught my attention on anime forums was people saying how they 'love' a certain author or author's works. Well, I have personally met several authors and I can tell you, they doesn't appreciate their work being abused like this. If you really love a persons work, why abuse it and literaly steal from the author? Sure a lot of them are rich, but don't they deserve to be? You should see a manga author's schedule. These people often can't leave their studio because they have so many deadlines for weekly publications. About the comments on the US versions of anime. Yes, we hate them too. This is not the anime companies, this is corporate America and their extreme fear of getting sued by some crazy viewer. We would love to air the anime as it was in Japan (the author too) as it would save us literally hundreds of thousands of dollars (millions annually, I kid you not) in editing costs and insurance to meet the broadcaster's requirements. In summary, I think there is a general misconception that 'evil' anime companies are trying to make anime fans suffer for the sake of making a buck, but there is more to story and I am always happy to explain why something is done in a certain way. And on the flipside, I am always open to suggestions. But I know with great certainty that downloaders know what they are doing, but base their reasoning on a lot of misinformation or just lying to themselves to feel better. This is not what a real fan does.

Matthew Skala from 129.97.79.144 at Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:42:44 +0000:
tokyodrifter: Your experiences prove that distributors believe they lose money as a result of file sharing. Your experiences do not prove that distributors *actually do* lose money as a result of file sharing. The scientific evidence tells a different story - though, admittedly, most of that has to do with music rather than video and it's possible to imagine that video could be different.

However, that's not the subject of this page and I'm sorry so many visitors have chosen not to address the points I was actually interested in raising.

Cyh Scaevola from 70.152.242.6 at Tue, 10 Oct 2006 20:00:57 +0000:
I agree that Animesuki should have taken a stand on this, but I also can't blame them for backing down. Comparatively, a battle in the courts would have simply cost too much for such a small company, so cutting their losses and complying with the cease and desist order was likely the smartest move. However, I look forward to the day when the legal system tries to move in on some scrappy fansub ".torrent" distributor which refuses to go down without a fight. That would certainly be interesting.

Though Tokyodrifter makes a decent point, I believe that particular argument should be aimed toward the American licensing companies for butchering our anime, rather than toward the fansubbers. Ratings and Political-Correctness are getting out of hand in this country, which is why all of our own cartoons are turning into formulated assembly-line-esque clones of eachother. Unlike anime, American cartoons are gradual losing their styles. (Where has Ren & Stimpy gone? John K. was a genius.) The variation in anime is part of what makes it so attractive.

Despite the fact that I sympathize with the manga-ka crowd, a lot of times these BitTorrent downloads promote the manga version of an anime, especially if it's a good one. I myself bought all of the Ouran HS Host Club manga BECAUSE the anime caught my interest. These days, I judge whether or not I want an anime on how much it appeals to me in fansub form. I also use the same criteria to recommend titles to friends.

But that's just a tangent. The real issue here is that with the growing popularity of BitTorrent sites like Animesuki, one of them are bound to fight back. And if this cease and desist thing become a habit, it is highly probable that, though the initial intention of the legal system was to prevent loss of revenues on the part of foreign makers, the exact opposite will happen. American companies won't buy foreign rights if it is apparent that we won't buy or watch the manipulated product--especially if we haven't had a chance to preview it. Anime is EXPENSIVE. VERY expensive. We otaku do not trifle with our money.

Plus, it IS a good point to make that the only thing these distributors are guilty of is providing addresses. It's no different than the phone book, which brings hordes of telemarketers into our lives, "Do-Not-Call List" notwithstanding--they still find ways around that. The pimp analogy applies to a degree, but I'm more inclined to see the distributors as someone to ask for directions, like google or mapquest. In fact, since it's so easy to google a fansub site, should google be held liable as well for making it easier for us to get to the fansubs? (A long shot, but I wouldn't put it past the lawyers.)

All in all, the system probably balances itself out without our knowing, seeing as how when an organized body like Animesuki gets the axe, people are suddenly paying attention. It's only a matter of time before someone finds the audacity to try and take on the wrong distributor, and that's most likely when all of this will be straightened out (or further complicated). Laws are tricky, and the people who interpret them are as well, and anime fans can be very spiteful people indeed, so who know how it might turn out?

Jex from 24.231.205.6 at Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:32:21 +0000:
It is notoriously difficult to find anime in legal preview-form in the United States. I think you know what I mean.

To begin with, there is hardly any anime on television. We can cite Cartoon Network and G4 as basically our only televised anime venues. Compare the 12 (maybe) series on those channels with the number of anime series that come out every -year- and you can see that there is an extreme discrepancy. There is an even larger discrepancy between the available anime and our appetite for it.

Given that hardly any anime actually airs in the United States, we beg the question of how we are supposed to gain exposure to the rest of it to choose what we do and do not wish to purchase. Most video rental venues do not supply anime. Only a few libraries have anime available for checkout. It's unlikely that the actual prime purchasers of anime in the US (15-20something year olds) are going to plunk down $25 for three episodes (of various localization quality) of an anime they've only vaguely heard of on a message board.

Fansubs help with exposure more immensely than many are willing to believe. We understand that anime studios would like us to purchase their products. We are glad to do that - but not with material we have never heard of or seen.

I also wonder often if the studios realize that Americans are buying the merch to their anime before the anime ever legally arrives on these shores. *points to her Rozen Maiden figurine collection and Ouran High Schoo Host Club plush collection*

Fansubs!

Proto from 85.195.123.24 at Sat, 07 Apr 2007 19:45:06 +0000:
All the arguments set forth here are both interesting and food for thought.
While (unfortunately) I am not as well versed in many aspects of the Anime genre as the other posters here I would offer the following:

A) Fansubbers and the work they do is priceless.
As one who remembers when the cartoon market in the US had content that was funny, different and rather varied (and that made jokes, comments and the occasional factoid that didn't require you to be wearing a diaper and a rattle to appreciate), all that seems to have disappeared and what is left on networks like CN and G4 are series based on dumbed down content, flatulence and overall bad hygiene (physical, mental or both).

B) Fansubbers actually try to preserve the original content and message of the series they translate because they are translating into different languages without trying to recast the content for the target audience.
It was rather fascinating to see what was REALLY said in some newer and older Anime releases as it appears that the derivative works are so targeted to US\European consumers that you actually loose the content and meaning. {Tokyo Mew Mew and the US spin-off Hollywood Mew Mew [excuse me I meant Mew Mew Power] "..like totally.." come to mind as examples).

C) Fansubbers are not criminals; they are just people who love these works so much that they want to share their affections for the work with audiences that would NEVER be otherwise exposed to them
(TokyoDrifers excellent commentary not withstanding).
I would NEVER know about the treasure trove of works from Japan were it not for Fansubbers and I dare say that most US\European people would not know either.

Put a different way, the commercial entities observe a "..following.." or “…fan base…” for a particular artist or work, then project out to see if the works would appeal to a wider audience and then invest into it (albeit in a painfully micromanaged manner).

No fansubs = no foreign interest in original or derivative works.
No interest = no lucrative multinational contracts for works holders and no extra income for the authors\creators of those works.

(Oh and for the record, not only am I NOT a fansubber NOR do I know any personally but I HAVE purchased "licensed" copies of works AFTER seeing fansubs (where appropriate))

baktolio from 124.104.80.51 at Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:59:19 +0000:
i agree with what "Proto from 85.195.123.24 at Sat, 07 Apr 2007 19:45:06 +0000:" said (see above comment)...

furthermore Animesuki.com does not host these fansubs...

"AnimeSuki is a website that aims to be a portal for finding all unlicensed English anime torrents. By limiting the content to only unlicensed anime, we had tried to avoid associating AnimeSuki with piracy, even though as stated on the Licensed Anime page, fansubs are technically a violation of copyright. By not listing licensed anime, AnimeSuki avoided getting into any legal trouble with US anime companies, simply because we don't list anything they hold the copyright of."

Matthew Skala from 67.158.77.171 at Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:27:20 +0000:
baktolio: The problem is that shows are still subject to copyright, and fansubs are still violations of copyright, even if the shows aren't licensed by US companies. Animesuki's policy makes them more likely to get away with what they're doing, but it doesn't really make their actions any more legal.

As for the question of whether hosting the torrent files counts as hosting the fansubs or not, that's a tricky one. You and I and other technically oriented people know that a torrent file is different, in an important way, from the actual content the torrent file points to. That's the point I talk about in the last couple paragraphs of my article, above. But whether it legally counts as different is another question. Some courts in the USA have ruled that a Web link - note, not even a torrent file, just a URL - can be an infringement of copyright if it's a link to an infringing file. I think that's a travesty, but it is the law in those courts' jurisdictions. Hosting a torrent is more like hosting the content than hosting a URL is like hosting the content... so if the "URLs can infringe" thing holds up, it seems like torrents would have to also be included.

The important thing to remember is that the law can be wrong. Even if something is and should be acceptable, is may still be illegal.

Demexii from 68.46.169.2 at Tue, 22 May 2007 15:39:55 +0000:
Animesuki does not host the torrent file themselves. It is just an index of links that lead you to the site that does host the .torrent file (and, most likely, a tracker). Animesuki does not host or track torrents.

"Notice!
AnimeSuki does not host any of the media files mentioned on the site. It also does not host anything related to BitTorrent such as trackers or torrent files. This site is merely an index of links to other websites. Please understand that nearly every link on this site takes you to other websites that AnimeSuki is not affiliated with nor in any way responsible for!"

-animesuki

However, right now isohunt and other bittorrent index sites are in court due to a lawsuit from the RIAA and MPAA. If index sites are illegal is to be found I guess. However I fail to see how that is any different than just using Google to look for .torrent files.

It doesn't really matter anyway. Say that Animesuki ignored it (like many other fansubers did when getting the C&D). No Japanese company will take the time, effort, and money to sue someone through the American court system for something that they have a good chance of losing (especially Animesuki where they don't even host the torrent files). I feel Animesuki wanted to be nice and didn't call the bluff.

lizaoreo from 68.209.1.173 at Mon, 23 Jul 2007 04:22:01 +0000:
So, just a curious question, but knowing the popularity of certain fansub groups for their excelent releases and such. Why don't the Japanese companies offer the fansub groups the contracts to rightfully publish their content in the way it was meant to be. They have already distributed them anyway, why not make it right both ways.

I can almost guaranty that plenty of people who download the fansubs would turn around and purchase releases from the fansubers. I know I would buy official content released by groups such as Lunar and Bakakozou. Honestly, if fansubbing were to be eliminated (with the way the American Anime market is right now) for the most part I'd just forget about getting new anime and keep myself entertained with my current collection. Official releases of Anime in America isn't worth watching.

hotelmoscow from 24.230.148.23 at Tue, 24 Jul 2007 06:30:22 +0000:
Here's the deal anime distributers. actually, not just anime... all distributers that sell tv shows. what's the deal? seriously what's the deal. you're mad because we're not going to go out and spend 160 bux to buy the entire season of cowboy bebop (amazon.com... look it up). the show is on TV FOR FREE!!!! i understand paying to buy it... but seriously... i have bills to pay. 160 bux for a 26 episode show is insane. we don't all make as much as you want us to pay. not only that... but it's 160 bux for a botched sliced up version. this is just one example. i don't even want to know how much it would cost to get the long series like FMA, naruto, bleach, monster etc. so here's what i have to say to you: you want us to buy your stuff? how about some reasonable pricing? no, i don't want to go to the store and pay 26 bux for 4 episodes. that's called a scam. so until then, fansubs all the way. and i have bought anime... from ebay. as for the people that make anime... you have my pity i can't support you. i'd love to pay you for the wonderful job you guys do animating and producing the stuff. but until the distributers make it affordable... i'll have to wait and buy it second hand off ebay and give some nerd a bit of his money back.

eskribo from 70.250.208.37 at Wed, 08 Aug 2007 04:27:35 +0000:
If I really wanted to steal, I would rent the anime set and burn it, or just Tivo it from a satellite and again burn it with a DVD recorder?.....Blame the real cause, the american commercial crap that is released, after a perfectly good series is numbed, neutered and sanitized for what a board room thinks will give them the most pfofitability and commercial gain. Then it is said that money is lost and the blame is put on fansubs and the internet.

How about you release the show the way it was intended and for the target audience that it was made to appeal to. Cut out the corporate,commercial crap. Has anyone seen Trigun and Naruto on "Adult Swim"? The emotion is gone, the personalities are drained and catch phrases are thrown in to sell crappy toys, "Believe It" (with the exception of Cowboy Bebop). I dont want to spend my money on overpriced, so called, licensed DVD's when I dont get what I was intending to buy. Some series are getting it right by giving you the option to seet it dubbed or subbed in the original Japanese format and uncut. Who wouldn't prefer to watch their favorite anime with digital picture and sound rather than on a low quality fansub. The reality is that some of the fansubbers are better at translation than some professionals and stay true when expressing the emotion originally intended by the creator of the show. I hate the way characters lose their charisma and end up with robotic, unexpressive voices that only seem to irritate after a series is subbed for North America. Much is lost in these half assed translations but the main thing is fan loyalty and their dollars which will probably go to importing the real deal and their equally superior action figures or toys. Keep your licencing to yourselves if you cannot stay loyal to your product, it is what truly hurts your bottom line.

Dragonrider1227 from 71.161.237.55 at Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:55:04 +0000:
You want us to stop releasing fansubbed bootlegs? Make better dubs! Or better yet, put the uncut versions on DVD. Normally, I actually kinda like dubs. Inuyasha, Trigun, and even Pokemon to name a few, but have you seen how the new Astroboy was dubbed? It was horrible. I could go on for pages on why it sucked and worse, this is what we're stuck with. The Boxset is only in english thus killing potential sales. I would've bought the set if they gave me the option to watch it uncut and I wouldn't be currently searching the web for fansubs of it

Hitokiri_Ace from 208.53.170.139 at Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:07:54 +0000:
I agree with all points.. It is wrong.. It's stealing someone's work. Is the VCR a theft device? You don't see Sony being sued for making DVR's, and last I checked.. TIVO is a legal service. Fansubs are lower quality just the same. We'd love to buy higher quality professinal dvd versions of our anime. The thing is, we can't get much anime. Take for example the smaller anime titles.. One that comes to mind for me is Lamune. It's slow paced, rather boring to most, and I'm certain.. Will never be brought or liscensed in America. Why? It wouldn't make any money because of lack of interest. I watched Kenshin on cartoon network as a kid. I loved the style.. action.. art.. the setting.. and how it was played out. If it hadn't been for fansubs, I wouldn't have seen any other anime. Since there has been.. I've bought Trigun, DNAngel, Chobits, Pita-Ten, Chibi Vampire, Azumanga Daioh, and more.. If it airs in Japan.. why can't we enjoy it just the same as those who are able to on TV? It takes work.. time.. money to sub anime. Fansubbers sacrifice all of that to try to get the followings, the groups, and otaku's the anime they can otherwise only wait so many years for nothing. True, the asian-aired episodes have commercials, and they try to sell you things. Otaku's buy wallscrolls, manga, stickers, phone straps, dvd's, soundtracks, shirts, wallets, costumes, calenders.. We too support the creators, maybe not in the anime produced, because more than not.. we have no way to purchase it. Though you can buy the Jap dvd's.. We can't speak Jap, thus the dillema. Folks, here's the main deal, this is 2009, we're in the digital age.. Things are advancing, and buying things in your home.. purchasing digital media is on the rise.. It will eventually be a "fansub" like group that is in charge. The subs have quality, style, and keep the original meaning.. If it's too Jap for the avg. otaku to get, they even have "Translator's Notes" on-screen. How amazing is that?? Instead of crappy yellow or white subs.. why not add some style? Do some quality Karaoke lyrics.. put some life into them.. and do what retail providers have been doing forever.. if there's a demand.. provide the service.. if there's money to be made.. someone will eventually be there to grab at the chance.. why are you "pro" subbers, and dubbers.. not realizing this? You NEED a fanbase, or else you will have no product to sell. Here's this animated show.. there's chick with red hair on the front.. buy the series for 120 bucks? >.> uh... what is it even? >.> where's the.. "about me" section.. why don't I just flush my money.. Idk if what I'm buying is about a mech or a laser, a cat or a spacecraft. Movies are advertised, they are pushed publicly and shown to the masses.. Anime hides in a dark corner, where only the "cowardly, otaku's" reside. Slowly trying to gather more to see that compared to American cartoons.. It's the best thing since sliced bread. Until there's digital means, from pro subbers who care.. fansubbing won't die.. no matter how wrong it is. I apologize to the anime company's of Japan. My advice? Hire one of these fansubbing orginazations to further you profits, and advance your outreach. Peace, and Joy to those who sacrifice for us dirty Americans.